Jacob Hansen is a Latter-day Saint apologist who appeared on Allie Beth Stuckey’s “Relatable” podcast on April 27, 2026. The episode was put on YouTube with the title “Are Mormons Christians? LDS Apologist vs. Evangelical Christian.”
Hansen on the First Vision
Toward the beginning of the discussion, Stuckey asked Hansen about the First Vision. Here is how Hansen responded:
The Father and the Son appeared to him, and they essentially told him that the original church of Jesus Christ was not in its fullness on the earth. Okay, which means that the—and the way that I would understand that and the way that Latter-day Saints understand that isn’t the belief that there were no believers between the time of Jesus Christ and 1820, right? I did an entire debate on this with Joe Heschmeyer recently. And it’s the idea that the fullness of the ecclesiastical structure of Christ’s church was not on the earth. But we do believe that there has always been since the time of Jesus sincere believers in Jesus Christ. So when we talk about the church, I think it’s important that we distinguish between the church as a body of sincere believers which we believe has had a continual existence and the institution which we believe is necessary to govern those believers, the fullness of the institutional church. And that is what we believe was lost. (3:35–4:33)
As I shall show, what Hansen says here is a total misrepresentation of the “full story” about what Joseph claimed he was told during the First Vision.[1]
The First Vision in Joseph Smith—History
Let’s start with the official, canonical version of the story found in Joseph Smith—History. It is one of the short books in the LDS canon called The Pearl of Great Price.
. . . I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” (JS-H 1:18–19)
According to Joseph, “the Personage” who answered his question (identified in verse 17 as Jesus Christ) made the following points:
- Joseph “must join none of” the sects.
- The sects “were all wrong.”
- “All their creeds were an abomination in his sight.”
- “Those professors were all corrupt.”
Then, via a quotation conflating a couple of biblical texts (Matt. 15:8–9 // Mark 7:6–7 [cf. Isa. 29:13]; 2 Tim. 3:5), the following statements are said to apply to the people in those “sects”:
- Their hearts are far from the Lord.
- They teach doctrines that are the commandments of men.
- They have a form of godliness but deny “the power thereof.”
Do any of these statements, or do these statements taken together, convey what Hansen claims? Continue reading
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